So the .17 HMR shoots flatter than most calibers in a range of 75-125 yards. Previous template Next. I figured out what went wrong. Filtered by: Clear All. That question is pretty easily answered using a little data and combining that with a lot of shooting at long range. Good guns. A 17 HMR rifle is designed and balanced to operate properly with a full-weight hammer to shoot at a high speed or velocity and also, like any other, there is a break-in period to take most out of this 17hmr too. If you cannot purchase ammunition for a gun, it’s a paperweight, and therefore, there was no interest in the round. It didn't fill a role for me. I guarantee you that a HM2 will load and shoot out of a HMR bolt. 17 HMR — Still the Market Leader in 17-Cal Rimfires. No. The .17 Hornady Mach 2, or .17 HM2, is a rimfire cartridge introduced in 2004 by the ammunition manufacturer Hornady, following the successful launch in 2002 of the .17 HMR.The .17 HM2 is based on the .22 Long Rifle "Stinger" case, necked down to .17 caliber (4.5 mm) and using a bullet weighing less than half the weight of a typical .22 Long Rifle bullet. While a head shot with the HMR ruins no meat, it sure makes for an ugly dead squirrel. However, I soon found out Savage’s little autoloader can shoot. A .17 HMR can give you 1 inch or less groups at 100 yards under ideal conditions (no wind, good ammo, and properly adjusted rifle). The 17 Mach 2 (HM2) is making a resurgence, as it is less expensive than 17 HMR and it can be shot from rifles converted from .22 LR since it shares the .22 LR cartridge OAL. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. The .17 Mach II is a shorter round and the bullet would not be in the bore when the round is chambered. Strike three. Scott talked to me about trading for a knife then ran backwards on me for what he wanted. And too often on ground shots, a squirrel hops just as you shoot, and you end up with a body shot, despite the best of holds and trigger squeeze. and i was wondering can i shoot 17 hm2 out of it? Thx MGC. Ruger 77 with the drop-in Green Mountain .17 HMR barrel and my custom single shot Husqvarna with the Green Mountain .17 HM2. After that the bullet drops rather quickly. Search. Exactly, the 17 hmr is good for those that are good enough/willing to make effective shots out to ~175 yards. One advantage of this projectile is its frangibility. But I would not recommend it. Collapse. Minute of very-small varmint! Before I bought the HMR I looked into converting my 10/22 into an HM2, but the conversion was too expensive and there were too many horror stories. Many companies have attempted to harness bottleneck rimfires into semiauto platforms. Compared to a .22LR, the .17 HM2 crushes it in every category but price per bo All cartridge dimensions, except bullet diameter are different. The derivation of these cartridges is:.17 HM2 = .22 CCI Stinger round (slightly longer than a std .22 LR case) necked down to .17.17 HMR = .22 WMR necked down to .17 Adios, I see no reason why a .17 HMR barrel would not swap directly onto a Ruger 10/22 Magnum, just as a .17 Mach 2 barrel swaps easily onto a standard 10/22. You may want to read up on it & see if it's worth it at rimfirecentral.com. Well I’ve noticed that the great one D.P. No. It's lightweight, accurate, incredibly reliable and fires a flat-shooting round that's much quieter than the .17 HMR. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ for information on posting and navigating the forums. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. All times are GMT-5. Looks like a fun little cartridge. However, Remington has recalled all .17 HMR autoloaders and clearly states that their .17 HMR ammunition should never be fired in semiautomatics. And don't forget to check out the latest reviews on guns and outdoor gear on fieldandstream.com. Finally the 17 WSM is, without question, the performance leader among .17-Cal rimfire rounds. There is no doubt 22 LR cannot compare with 17 HMR when it comes to shooting from larger distances. Sarge01, that's quite alright sir and thank you for your service. This page was generated at 06:51 PM. Would a bolt action 17 hmr be capable of shooting 17 hm2 ammunition? No the HM2 bullets are the mach 2 bullets. When I first posted this thread, I didn't see it branching off into black powder, but, I included mountain men and a "possibles" bag, so that, All of the old (and smart) mountain men carried a "possibles" pouch, mostly to keep some extra powder, wads, bullets or balls handy, in case, If this is your first visit, be sure to Here you will find hunting, fishing, and survival tips from the editors of Field and Stream, as well as recommendations from readers like yourself. Everyone go buy a .17 HM2, not a HMR. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you’ll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. Compared to the HMR, 17 HM2 is cheaper and not as big of a step down in performance as many people would claim. But I would not recommend it. The ammo price was nice, about 1/2 that of HMR but local availability was low. 17 hmr has 17 gr bullet that can be propelled to 2590 ft/sec at the muzzle which is a great value for making it reliable for a lot of objects. Typically, the .17 HMR will shoot around 1.0 MOA or better at most practical distances. thanks cooner,i understand now.someone needs to get with wikipedia and set those guys straight .they state the hm2 is longer when it isnt,i need to get a book on this stuff for reference sometime.once again thanx. Nope. The .17 HMR is basically a necked down .22 Mag..17 HMR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A 17 gr bullet will go 2,550ft/sec and has 245ft/lbs of energy. Both rifles are inexpensive and extraordinary. The 17 hmr has just a slight advantage in range is all.. This makes it safer than any of the.22 LR bullets for small game and varmint hunting in semi-populated areas. The Mach 2 is based on a.22 LR Stinger case necked-down to accept the same 17 grain, polymer tipped, V-MAX bullet Hornady developed for the.17 HMR. I'm pretty sure the 17 hm2 can shoot pretty flat out to almost 150 or so. A big advantage of the HMR is the 20 gr. They are considerable smaller than the original bullet. Posts; Latest Activity; Photos . The Need for Speed: The .17 HMR. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. Those are two completely different rounds, with different amounts of powder and case size. I agree. The .17 hmr is great, but I do a lot of shooting from 200 yards, and don't really go through a lot of ammo per outing (about 25 - 50 rounds). Most have failed miserably. If you .22 can shoot them well some of the hyper velocity rounds have OK ballistics out to 100, but it will never come close to the .17's. You wouldn’t. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Best Uses For a .17 HMR . As you can already see the .17HMR is a faster and lighter bullet than the .22LR. The 17 Mach 2 (HM2) is making a resurgence, as it is less expensive than 17 HMR and it can b… Know the target and know the range. Finally the 17 WSM is, without question, the performance leader among .17-Cal rimfire rounds. I looked at the ballistics and they are great and best yet they fit in any 10/22 magazine. Collapse. I just never saw the need personally for a 17, if I want small and fast I would go 22 magnum. Compared to .22 LR, well, there is no comparison. The Sako Quad HMR at just less than 200 yards. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. Welcome to Field and Streams's Answers section. The .17 HMR is a necked down version of the .22 Magnum and generally uses a 17-grain bullet, though you can also find rounds with 20 grain and 15.5-grain bullets. This is a discussion on Which .17 caliber- HMR or HM2 or Hornet and which rifle for take down survival use within the Rimfire forums, part of the Gun Forum category; I had a Browning SA-22. That cartridge is considered by many to be superior to the venerable .22 LR cartridge and because of its speed, it is sure fun to shoot. I guarantee you that a HM2 will load and shoot out of a HMR bolt. All Discussions only Photos only Videos only Links only Polls only Events only. If you cannot purchase ammunition for a gun, it’s a paperweight, and therefore, there was no interest in the round. Same with a .17 or .22. (That's nearly 70 percent faster than a standard-velocity.22 LR.) I have read the reports of how well the 17 kills varmints but I have not seen the "death ray" effects that some are reporting. The HMR will kill groundhogs but out to 100 yards I can kill them just as well with an accurate 22 and beyond that a 22 mag works just as well. All Time Today Last Week Last Month. When you compare some models of 22 LR and 17 HMR, you see that both cartridges have many to offer and that there are many great rifles that use those calibers. .17 HM2 The 17 HM2 barrels for the Ruger 77/22, Sako P94 & Quad, CZ 455 and Remington 504 are chambered with a Pacific Precision Grinding match-type reamer. If you get a new rifle for 300 dollars that is about 20 boxes of HMR and 75 boxes of HM2 Sticker shock I guess. Make sure you don't see any fraudulent charges. What exactly is the problem with this cartridge and the conversion for the 10/22? Both rifles are inexpensive and extraordinary. Can I bolt 5.0 Chevy heads to a 5.0 Ford block? Plus the maximum effective range of this caliber is approximately 200 yards. And shoot. Had a lot of problems and the take down mechanism began to gall and not lock properly. And shoot. new posts. Before You Buy, You Should to: Reading the consumer reviews of Weatherby 17 Hmr Rifle For Sale And 17 Hm2 Rifle Manufacturers before purchase. Its high velocity also enables the.17-caliber bullet to deliver the same energy levels downrange, even though it is 35 percent lighter. At first, I didn’t have high hopes for the A17. You can get HM2's very easy so you should do it the safe way. Obviously, shooter skill and wind will have a large effect on this as ranges extend. The .17 HM2 case is based on a .22LR Stinger necked down to .17 caliber, making it a no-recoil, low-noise cartridge that’s perfect for small critters. X. If you enjoy shooting the .17 HMR cartridge, then shoot away. Haven't shot anything with the WSM yet. A properly thrown rock can kill a deer. As far as I know you can still get Volquartsons conversion barrel and bolt, but for the price you could have a dandy bolt gun chambered for it and a scope and a sling and rings and targets and gas money to the range and... you get my point. If you do try shooting a .17 HMR in your .22 rifle, I'll bet you have a hard time extracting the case. It’s Consistent According to the current .17 Aguila/PMC barrel manufacturers, you can re-barrel a Ruger 10/22 with a .17 Aguila/PMC barrel and shoot it with no bolt modifications, but (and here’s the biggie) you can also shoot the .17 Aguila/PMC in your .17 Mach II chambered bolt-action firearm, this time with NO Modifications! Also talk about no recoil, it is the funnest thing you will ever shoot; most guys I know started with several hmrs, and then bought a m2- now they have many m2's, and keep MAYBE ONE hmr, or none at all. The 22 LR could only be converted to the 17 HM2, not the magnum. For a $300 plinker or small-game getter, the Savage A17 in .17 HM2 is a fantastic little rifle. The modern rimfire family: (L) .22 short, .17 HM2, .22 LR, .17 HMR, .22 WMR (Magnum). if the hmr is based on the mag case and the hm2 is based on the lr,what is the reason they cant interchange?a 22 mag will shoot a lr round.the hm2 has lower pressure right?it seems like its nearly the same comparison to me.but i have no experience with it,it just caught my attention. Page of 1. We can’t talk about the HM2 without talking about the HMR, as its success is what led to the investment of the .17 HM2. Please buy it from trusted store. I'll speak up in defense of the 17 HM2. The derivation of these cartridges is:.17 HM2 = .22 CCI Stinger round (slightly longer than a std .22 LR case) necked down to .17.17 HMR = .22 WMR necked down to .17 Adios, Definitely go 17 HMR if you choose to go with the 17 caliber. The Savage .17 HMR is a great rifle for small game hunting or target shooting. Not only is the bullet diameter smaller, but the cartridge case of a .17 HMT is longer than a .22 LR case. Maverick, you might contact Bo Clerke in Raton, NM. The .17 HMR, it does a number on Squirrel, Rabbit and even known to destroy the meat. To the OP: Don't go the way of 17 HM2. The 455 American has an interchangeable barrel system that allows you to shoot .17 HMR, .22 LR, and .22 WMR using the same receiver. The .17 HM2 is basically a necked down .22 LR Stinger..17 HM2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A 17 gr bullet will go 2,100ft/sec and has 166ft/lbs of energy. Designed with a free-floating, button rifled barrel, corrosion resistant chrome plated bolt, bolt release and removable dust cover for improved functionality. Like the 22 WMR and 17 HMR cartridges, centerfire cleaning instructions apply due to the jacketed bullet used in this cartridge. Pictured From right to left: CCI .22 LR .38 grain Minimag, CCI 22 LR .40 grain Standard, Eley 17 HM2, CCI 17 HMR 20 Grain FMJ, Federal 17 HMR 17 grain JHP On a personal note, I have a few 17 HM2 rifles, and I think they are fantastic options as late season squirrel guns. Long range shot with clean kill on a rabbit, at 282 yards and an 8mph cross wind. Time. For the money spent & what you end up with, factoring in reliability, performance gains, & the rest I think I'd rather buy a new rifle. Honestly, why would you produce .17 Mach 2 ammunition that may (or may not) sell when every .22 LR, .22 WMR (then experiencing a renaissance), and .17 HMR is flying off the shelf, right? Is not writing much rifle stuff anymore. Minute of very-small varmint! Strike three. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you’ll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. 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